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eastcoastguy
Choppy Table Craps Strategy
Hello all!
I was wonderiing if the more experienced craps players on this forum could lend me their advice? I am heading to Vegas in a couple of weeks, and plan on playing craps only. I always play with a minimum pass line bet (never the dark side) combined with maximum free odds. I hardly ever make a place bet (very rarely), and I dont use come bets (simply a bankroll issue). So basically it is just a single minimum pass line bet with maximum odds until either the point is rolled or the shooter 7's out. Then the I bet the same for the next roll and so on.
Can I get some input as to what my minimum bankroll should be to handle the potential 'swings' if...
...I am playing at a $3 minimum table with 10x odds.
...I am playing at a $5 minimum table with 3x,4x,5x odds.
...I am playing at a $5 minimum table with 20x odds (sure wish MSS downtown offered $3 minimum craps with 20X odds instead of the $5 minimum. Do they ever offer $3? Weekday mornings on occasion perhaps?).
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
I was wonderiing if the more experienced craps players on this forum could lend me their advice? I am heading to Vegas in a couple of weeks, and plan on playing craps only. I always play with a minimum pass line bet (never the dark side) combined with maximum free odds. I hardly ever make a place bet (very rarely), and I dont use come bets (simply a bankroll issue). So basically it is just a single minimum pass line bet with maximum odds until either the point is rolled or the shooter 7's out. Then the I bet the same for the next roll and so on.
Can I get some input as to what my minimum bankroll should be to handle the potential 'swings' if...
...I am playing at a $3 minimum table with 10x odds.
...I am playing at a $5 minimum table with 3x,4x,5x odds.
...I am playing at a $5 minimum table with 20x odds (sure wish MSS downtown offered $3 minimum craps with 20X odds instead of the $5 minimum. Do they ever offer $3? Weekday mornings on occasion perhaps?).
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
Clownkeeper
Its my understanding to bring to the table 7 to 10 times the amount you are betting. So a $5 table with 3-4-5x odds pass line w/ odds only ave bet $25.00 so $175 to $250. Also keep in mind that the $5 table could be to crowded to play or not available at all so bring enough for a $10 table. Just my 2 cents.
FinsRule
$5 with 5x, you are potentially betting $30 each come out. $300 minimum. $500 would help you handle some bad variance.
tconley19
Your session money should be 10x your initial bet. If you lose 50% of your buy in, leave that table. If you win 20-30% of your buy in, pocket your buy in and 50% of your winnings, then play with the other 50% of your winnings. Every $50, pocket 1/2 and play with the excess. Simple advice to leave a winner or keep losses to a minimum.
Tom
Tom
PapaChubby
Your session money should be 10x your initial bet. If you lose 50% of your buy in, leave that table. If you win 20-30% of your buy in, pocket your buy in and 50% of your winnings, then play with the other 50% of your winnings. Every $50, pocket 1/2 and play with the excess. Simple advice to leave a winner or keep losses to a minimum.
Tom
I don't get it. Why buy in for 10x if you're going to leave the table after losing 5x? Why not just buy in for 5x and leave if you lose all your chips?
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tconley19
Basic money management 101....
If you want to play smart, you need to leave a particular table after 3 consecutive losses, or up to 50% of your buy in. It can be 40% or 30% or whatever your loss trigger(comfort level) is to leave that session. The same goes if you are winning. Only continue to play if you've reached a predetermined goal (win 20-30%), then play with 1/2 of your winnings, rat hole (pocket) the rest. If you feel that you're going to play underfunded with (scared money) and expect to lose all of your chips, why play at all?
You should always leave a table with at least half of your buy in so you don't feel like a total loser (I'm not being offensive here)......You should also have enough bankroll to play a predetermined amount of sessions. If you're playing 3 sessions, have enough bankroll for each individual session. Don't use money from 1 session to fund another one (unless you want to lose it all)
Craps is a negative expectation game with a small house edge on certain bets. Knowledge of how to bet, and when to leave the table (winning or losing) is a must. The longer you play, the house edge will eat at your winnings.
Another good indicator when to leave a table and find another game is a choppy table. If you find yourself winning a few hands, and losing a few on a continuous basis, find another table. You won't keep any profit on that table.
If you're going to play craps for the 'fun' of it, then by all means buy in underfunded and expect to give it to the casino.
Just my opinion
Tom
If you want to play smart, you need to leave a particular table after 3 consecutive losses, or up to 50% of your buy in. It can be 40% or 30% or whatever your loss trigger(comfort level) is to leave that session. The same goes if you are winning. Only continue to play if you've reached a predetermined goal (win 20-30%), then play with 1/2 of your winnings, rat hole (pocket) the rest. If you feel that you're going to play underfunded with (scared money) and expect to lose all of your chips, why play at all?
You should always leave a table with at least half of your buy in so you don't feel like a total loser (I'm not being offensive here)......You should also have enough bankroll to play a predetermined amount of sessions. If you're playing 3 sessions, have enough bankroll for each individual session. Don't use money from 1 session to fund another one (unless you want to lose it all)
Craps is a negative expectation game with a small house edge on certain bets. Knowledge of how to bet, and when to leave the table (winning or losing) is a must. The longer you play, the house edge will eat at your winnings.
Another good indicator when to leave a table and find another game is a choppy table. If you find yourself winning a few hands, and losing a few on a continuous basis, find another table. You won't keep any profit on that table.
If you're going to play craps for the 'fun' of it, then by all means buy in underfunded and expect to give it to the casino.
Just my opinion
Tom
RonC
I have done both--$400 buy-in with a $200 'loss limit' and just a straight $200 buy-in with the 'felt' as the loss limit. I've won and lost both ways but I just kind of like the larger buy-in better than the smaller one. I've got enough discipline to stop, so that is not an issue, and I just don't like leaving with 'nothing' even though it is really the same amount at risk both ways.
I don't have a 'win' limit at all--I do move the 'floor' up as we go--if I am up to $500, the floor becomes $400 and on up. While it is nice to stop with a 25% profit sometimes, it is also fun to hit a good roll at that point and play it out. I get a bit more aggressive in pressing as the chips add up and it usually turns out pretty well--a win is locked in, and now I am shooting for a big win. I may not be the most aggressive at the table at that point but I am far from the least aggressive.
I don't have a 'win' limit at all--I do move the 'floor' up as we go--if I am up to $500, the floor becomes $400 and on up. While it is nice to stop with a 25% profit sometimes, it is also fun to hit a good roll at that point and play it out. I get a bit more aggressive in pressing as the chips add up and it usually turns out pretty well--a win is locked in, and now I am shooting for a big win. I may not be the most aggressive at the table at that point but I am far from the least aggressive.
odiousgambit
You should always leave a table with at least half of your buy in so you don't feel like a total loser
I pretty much subscribe to this too. And to have a bankroll that is 20x your approximate average bet, in any case certainly no less than 10x plus a cushion so you leave with something if the luck is bad.
For pass line plus odds:
...I am playing at a $3 minimum table with 10x odds. >>>> $600 Choppy Table Craps Game
...I am playing at a $5 minimum table with 3x,4x,5x odds.>>> $500 [average bet of $25 being an estimate]...I am playing at a $5 minimum table with 20x odds >>>> $2100 !
My last outing was a $10 table with 3x4x5x and my bankroll of $1000 seemed sufficient, but after a losing session I broke my own rule with another session and regretted it. It is as if the dice smell blood when your bankroll is insufficient!
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tconley19
Choppy Table Craps Tables
To answer your question directly w/o my 2 cents worth ( I'm not a pass line bettor)
On a $5 table with 3-4-5x odds, your bankroll should be $300 for that session.
$5 pass line bet plus $25 odds(5x) on the 6&8 = $30
$5 pass line bet plus $20 odds(4x) on the 5&9 = $25
$5 pass line bet plus $15 odds(3x) on the 4&10 = $20
your buy in should be 10x the most expensive bet you will make - $30 (6 or 8)
adjust your buy in if you feel you need to play a game with higher odds bets (foolish) unless pass line bets are consistently winning.
I believe Casino Royale on the strip still offers a $3 table. The tables there are very 'bouncy' and good for don't bettors. Also there should be some $3 tables downtown (Fremont Street)
Just my opinion
Tom
On a $5 table with 3-4-5x odds, your bankroll should be $300 for that session.
$5 pass line bet plus $25 odds(5x) on the 6&8 = $30
$5 pass line bet plus $20 odds(4x) on the 5&9 = $25
$5 pass line bet plus $15 odds(3x) on the 4&10 = $20
your buy in should be 10x the most expensive bet you will make - $30 (6 or 8)
adjust your buy in if you feel you need to play a game with higher odds bets (foolish) unless pass line bets are consistently winning.
I believe Casino Royale on the strip still offers a $3 table. The tables there are very 'bouncy' and good for don't bettors. Also there should be some $3 tables downtown (Fremont Street)
Just my opinion
Tom